Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
Total BS. That's not at all what I said or implied, and I think you know it.
It's exactly what you said. You even repeat it below, "the way MOST pilots do CDO's IS unsafe. That flight in the early morning is being operated the vast majority of the time by a sleep deprived (fatigued) crew."
Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
Typical DALPA political strategy of attacking the integrity of the messenger instead of debating the actual points.
Typical DPA strategy of declaring everyone with whom you disagree as a DALPA political strategist. You and I have both been debating the points. I took issue with what you said, and you don't like being called out.
Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
CDO's were originally invented as a way to get around the INTENT of the FAR rest requirements. Then the folks who wrote FAR 117 took it to a whole other level by putting language in that actually addressed CDO's ("split duty periods") and made it legitimate. Big mistake IMO. Those things should have been banned a long time ago.
So you keep saying. You've still not explained why these should be banned and not all-nighters where the crew is on duty for the same period of time without a power nap in a bid, other than to say that all-nighters are part of some airlines' marketing plan. So what? It's either safe or it's not, right?
Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
If you think that most pilots assigned CDO's are going to sleep 8 hours during the day in preparation then you are incredibly naive. As I've stated several times before, that's NOT what happens. The track record is very clear on this. Therefore, the way MOST pilots do CDO's IS unsafe. That flight in the early morning is being operated the vast majority of the time by a sleep deprived (fatigued) crew.
There you go again, disparaging me and my fellow Delta pilots. BTW, when is the last time that you flew a leg to or from South America. Talk about sleep deprived during the last part of the leg!! I'd much prefer the hotel to the lie-flat seat.
Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
I'm not generally a fan of "gubmint" being involved in our lives to much of an extent at all. But where do you draw the line? We need to have some kind of rules about how much rest we have to get, don't we? Or are you suggesting that they do away with FAR 117 and any other regulations that would mandate rest requirements and just rely on everybody to do the right thing and show up for their trips rested? Every man for himself... it's the wild, wild west for airline pilot scheduling. Give the airlines Carte Blanche to schedule us however they want to and leave it to the individual to use the fatigue card when necessary. No rules. Is that what you think should happen?
You'll forgive me for not resorting to the same histrionics as you have for misquoting me. I specifically said that the FARs' primary raison d'etre is to prevent unsafe scheduling by air carriers. As such, they delineate the rest and sleep opportunities that each carrier must provide its pilots.
The FAA specifically declined to regulate what a pilot does during his duty-free periods, other than to say that he is required to report rested and fit for duty. That applies equally to commuters, local pilots with colicky babies, and pilots who are scheduled for all-nighters (with or without a sleep opportunity in a suitable accommodation).
It is our job to show up fit for duty under all circumstances. You can rely on me to do my job, and I assume that I can rely on you.