Exactly. They want it for some reason, and it is not just to "get something" in return for letting us do illegals. I'll give you a scenario... newhire cruise pilots. Before ya'll die laughing, we are buying off on concessionary items in what should be an advancing timeframe... and the company and everybody else with a pulse knows we are facing a pilot shortage. Of course nothing substantial will be done by anybody until it is elevated to crisis level. So... hire a kid with all the written tickets, and let him sit in the jumpseat on transcons until he gets his 1500 hours. The rest quality would be improved for the "flying" pilots because it would be the cruise pilot that would have to stay up all night both directions. And as an added bonus, you don't even have to train him to land the airplane.... just operate the interphone and do position reports.