I don't think that's a fair comment. We made great strides under Moak regardless of what you believe in your own little world. That being said, the problem with this MEC scheduling chairman having to buy into the company's wanting to go to 2+15 is that it will happen for the following month's bid period, and we line dogs will have no input to that process. The same MEC guys, whose work I am greatly appreciative of, will have little to no exposure to those rotations on a continuing basis, therefore they do not KNOW how they affect those doing them. Am I pessimistic about these things, You bet your A$$ I am. From a personal perspective, I will not be able to safely operate an airplane on 3 hours "sleep". Like Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations" I know mine. This exceeds them by a long distance. So what I want to know is how am I going to be protected from repercussions of calling in fatigued? Why is this provision in there? Will the company want 3+00 in section 6? Why wouldn't they? IOW, we are handing them negotiations fodder to have to defend in the upcoming contract.