744driver,

You didn't cause any of this, so no need to apologize. This is stuff we all know gets hashed out regularly amongst our peers.

I simply know that where I came from, and where most of us came from, these attitudes of doing this for fun, as if flying for Atlas was our main interest or hobby, was completely unheard of. In fact, anywhere else in this industry, those guys are well-known kooks who usually won't get an invitation to the bar (harsh, but true).

It's simply an outlook that will get our next CBA nowhere.