I wouldn't worry about their whining. Guys come on here an anonymously vent and as long as theyre respectful about it, it doesnt affect anything. You are right in that some people have lofty expectations. But those people are still in the process of doing their homework. Those of us whove been flying 121 for years have some idea about just how tight this market is, as we've been stagnant for years. Your active duty retiree, may not have had the chance to really learn about the airlines until they put their paperwork in to retire. It's a learning process, it's why people are here on APC in the first place