Bar,

You've already tried this argument, and it's just as useless as Carl's stuff.

Everyone understands where these originated. The N had experience with them, and we didn't, that's all. It doesn't have any particular meaning that these were initially pushed by N councils. On a political level, it makes it impossible for those councils to distance themselves from their inclusion (so Carl is screwed there), but on a pilot group level, this sort of argument is going to make N pilots feel like S pilots are blaming them for SDP's, which is not the case.

The entire MEC agreed, as a body, to have them part of negotiations, otherwise we wouldn't have seen them. The MEC owns them, so let's not accidentally get into NvS stuff while trying to address Carl's circus of merger politics.