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Originally Posted by Nevets
Again, who said anything about ALPA? Each mec is independent on what they negotiate in their contracts. And each negotiation is dependent on the profitability or lack thereof of each respective company. Why is that hard for you guys to understand? It's not astrophysics! During good times, generally you get improvements. During bad times, generally you get erosion. It's simple economics. That's the constant across all different unions, whether it's ALPA, IBT, Apa, regional, major etc. Both regional and mainline ALPA MECs have gotten gains when their companies have been profitable. Same can be said of all the other pilot unions. THE constant is not the letters in the name of each independent pilot group, it's the economics of the particular airline.
So please stop making these excuses for not voting SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining agent.
If there is no union between ALPA thru national the what is the point of having a union? ALPA national should have never recommended regionals take concessions for new planes. For you to say that it's each MEC for themselves is completely defeating the purpose of the union.
SAPA negotiates on behalf of the pilots and they aren't doing that bad considering most other regional are lacking in pay and QOL compared to here.
So tell me again why we just make SAPA an official union? You would still complain that the whipsaw is unfair and we want one lis, and that will never happen.
You CLEARLY do not understand how ALPA works. Each MEC is independent. The purpose of ALPA, and CAPA, is to pool resources in lobbying, safety, security, aeromedical, attorneys, etc. Its not perfect by any means! But it's certainly better to not having a union at all. Places like TSA, Mesa, and even PSA would be far worse off if they had no union. Unless you naively think that their respective managements would give them more than what they currently have. Which brings me back to Skywest. You don't know what you don't know. If only you had the leverage of an NMB recognized bargaining agent, you won't know what management would negotiate rather than what they choose to give you now.
This is the thing, not only do you ride coat tails of all the other unionized pilots in the safety and security front, by not helping yourselves, you make it harder for us to help ourselves as well.
Case in point, since your 3200 pilot group is tied into the XJT negotiations when it comes to 401k, medical insurance, and scope, it makes it immensely more difficult to get any improvements in those areas because it would cost the company more than if we were just negotiating for ourselves. That's riding coat tails.