Originally Posted by
kimba
This is a copy and paste from SW website today.
2 PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander in the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered.
If you read the whole thing, they consider Primary flight time only after you upgrade in the appropriate aircraft. I may be wrong but the way I see it is what I've been saying for days taking **** from everybody!
And again you show you have no idea what you are talking about. As a former military pilot, in a crew aircraft, I will explain. On a military run sheet, the aircraft commander (captain in the civilian world) signs for the aircraft. In the logged time columns, there is FP (First Pilot) and SP (Second Pilot.) The FP is the pilot manipulating the controls (Pilot Flying in civilian crew language) and the SP is similar to the Pilot Monitoring. Since this is how the military flight time print out shows the flight time, SWA is clarifying for military pilots who may have little civilian experience that they only count PIC time when you have signed for the airplane (Part 61 PIC) and not just when you were the manipulator of the controls.
Turbine PIC that matters is when you upgrade, not when you are the pilot in command of your self!
Not sure how that is confusing. If you are the pic (which every CAPTAIN at AMF is) it is PIC time. And if it is in a turbine aircraft, it is turbine PIC.
By the way, the website doesn't say it, but southwest doesn't give you an interview if you don't have ALSO a 737 type rating that for sure you won't get at AMF and you won't be able to pay it out of your pocket considering the money you'll make.
Wrong. The requirement to have a 737 type to GET an interview at SWA went out the window many years ago. Now, if they decide to HIRE you, you have to get your type rating before you show up for class. And, of course as in any interview situation, the more blocks you have checked off above the minimums will give you a better shot at getting the interview against others who do or don't have those boxes.
Back to the pay, I'll put my broken disk again, if AMF is the best in what they do, why they hire a turbine PIC to pay him/her less than a SIC on a turbine flying the same kind of plane in a part 135?
Do you want a turbine PIC? Pay turbine PIC!
You're right. There are lots of King Air part 135 PIC jobs and most of them pay more than AMF. But most of them also require 2000-2500 hours total and a lot require 500 hours in type. How are you going to get those jobs when you are sitting at 1200-1400 hours?
Oh, yeah. Maybe at AMF??
For the upgrade to the metroliner or whatever they promise, those are only promises and the relative paycheck is a promise as well. Reality is that a company upgrades pilot only when they need it and not when the recruiter said during the interview process. Than after you upgrade, you'll start as a reserve, like in all the company, so even this logging time will be very variable.
As I said in my broken disk, recruiters are recruiters! They do their job, DONT BE FOOLED!!!
Again, I have to agree with you. There is no guarantee that you will get into a metro in 4-6 months. Part of that is that if you are starting in a BE99 at 1200 hours and 50 ME, in 4-6 months you will have 1400 hours and 250 ME and you are no where near READY to handle an SA227 single pilot. Heck, I have heard pilots at other companies who think we are insane to even OPERATE metroliners single pilot. But having been through our training program, I feel very comfortable flying it single pilot.
Now, if you come in with 1600 hours and a couple hundred turbine already, then, with the people moving up to other companies right now (fractionals, corporate, etc.) then you can easily bid to a metro or BE1900. And the pay is no false promise. You can check on this web site and see the pay scale. First year metro is $40K minimum.
And I can't speak for other bases, but in Dallas, reserve is actually the SENIOR position, not junior.