Originally Posted by
Captain Tony
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Honestly, I think you guys should just pull the trigger and approach management with stand alone section 6 negotiations and take the concessions your side is willing to screw the rest of us with and call it a day already.
No concessions off the L-ASA contract are on the table. I resent your unfounded accusation that we are going to attempt to take concessions to undercut you. You have officially gone off the deep end. Get a grip on reality Luis.
Well, that comment wasn't meant for you since supposedly you put me on your ignore list. I guess you can't even get that straight in your mind.
Anyway, anything less than what we have in our better contract is a concession. It would be like PDT agreeing to anything that isn't equivalent to Envoy in order to "live another day."
Originally Posted by
Redundant Guy
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Honestly, I think you guys should just pull the trigger and approach management with stand alone section 6 negotiations and take the concessions your side is willing to screw the rest of us with and call it a day already.
You mean like in the same manner when your MEC nudged the company to pursue 70 seat rates? That was a pretty low move to undercut the ASA guys.
How can our MEC go on a Section 6 without the XJT MEC? Ever heard of that little document called a Transition and Process Agreement? It doesn't allow it unless all parties agree. I think it would be a foolish move to abandon it and I have a hard time believing either MEC would agree to it. However, I do know that your MEC tried asked several times to get out during their underhanded attempt to screw the ASA guys with their "arbitrated" 70 seat rates. So who's trying to screw who here?
That's really naive of you to think. Remember that this was when the dispute over PBS was going on. You guys were all about flight line or nothing. Whereas our MEC caved despite the wishes of our line pilots wanting nothing but our line bidding. Then they caved again by agreeing to dual tracks. Management saw right through your MEC's intransigence. So it was management who invoked section 26. Only management can do that. And they did it to apply leverage on the ASA MEC. And it worked. In the end you guys agreed to our MEC's idea of dual tracks. And the LXJT side didn't see any new aircraft out of that arbitration. Gee, I wonder why? Management never intended that. It was all because of your MEC.
As for separate negotiations, it's just my view of what Will would like to do, as a member of the ASA MEC negotiating committee, based solely on his behavior/postings here. It's just a rhetorical jab at him. It wasn't meant seriously.
Originally Posted by
Flycameron
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Originally Posted by cybourg10
That would be a $30 million/year concession for XJT pilots.
Wow! I had no idea it was that big of a difference in contracts. Is this the reason all of the flying is going to Skywest as well? Did I hear correct that XJT lost 50 million last year too?
Even the concessionary TA was about $12 million per year better than their policy manual. And yes, this is why they get flying. It's the essence of the immoral whipsaw business model they are playing us for.