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Old 06-06-2014 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
This is interesting. You touched on a couple of different metrics here and I was just curious if you could clarify it for me, because I think the point is not a small one and actually go to the heart of many disagreements we have here on this forum. You said that what we make right now is sufficient for your needs, and I think that's great. It is a responsible (and ultimately lucrative) thing to live within one's means. But then you said that the average of the Delta pilot's opinions would determine worth. Worth and needs are two very different things, and I don't see how you can equate the 2 in a survey or poll. I live quite well on what I make right now, but I believe like many that we are worth more. So the way I define worth, with the variable of need removed from the equation will probably be different than a pilot that has 6 kids and 3 ex-wives. He will always have that bias in the back of his mind, which will affect the survey. So how would a poll/survey account for that difference? And then, I really think for it to be a true "worth" evaluation, you would have to take into account the rest of the industry. (I am standing by for the blowback from the usual crowd on that) But the point is that could we honestly say that we are "worth" more than UAL or AAL or SWA pilots? How would you then quantify that statement?
This is dead on.........

I always get a kick outta engineers trying to talk business or in this case "wage and salary administration". I normally get shouted down or just ignored, but here I go again.

Let's pretend we, like most professionals, don't have a union. Let's pretend for a moment we're _________ fill in the blank. How are you paid? Your HR department will FIRST, look around and determine what others that you do make and compete with that number.

Now, I'll agree we're worth more than what we're making. But until our peer group breaks out too (i.e. don't count on United) we have one hand tied behind our backs. Now, if T would only throw for more TDs a year and Sailing would get off his butt and rush for yards per game we could get paid like pro athletes. Oh, and don't mention 80 not getting paid like the rockstar he is

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