Originally Posted by
LivingTheDream
I don't think we have a prayer of succeeding, if we go in as 11500+ individuals.
I thought we were in a union... I.e., shouldn't it be about obtaining the goals of a group of 11500+ vice the goals of 11500+ individuals. (BTW, I have no idea what my unions goals are... except maybe imposing CDO's on us! And that is very sad.)
Finally, when we were going for the infamous contract 2000, the union was very public about announcing our goals and very methodical in our approach to achieving those goals... I still have my "restoration" tie tack.
I doubt I'll ever hear the term restoration or any similar term from my union for the remainder of my career... and if the membership keeps voting for 3% pay increases, we won't even keep up with real inflation (including food & energy).
It is what it is.
I didn't say anything about going in as 11,000 individuals. I was speaking specifically about seeing any survey results. A survey IS important to get the pulse of the group as a whole. But then, as Mr Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.." Once a TA is reached, the survey is unimportant, because we (theoretically) trust the negotiators to get us the best deal they can based on all the information they have available.. and here's the hard part... all the while trying to satisfy the "needs of the many" to the biggest extent possible. When I then have to evaluate the TA, why do I need to see a survey in order to judge whether or not it satisfies what I wanted to get on the contract? I don't. Because I do not care what YOU or NewK or Timbo want on the contract, because your needs and desires are different from mine. I will evaluate the contract based on what is before me and how it satisfies my wants/needs. Why do you care what I wanted anyway? I know many disagree, but there really is no upside in releasing survey results at that point. It only becomes a rallying point for future doughnuts with an agenda to overthrow our representatives and we are back at square one, and what is really sad about that is that is is but a snapshot of the entire process. It is discouraging to me because some think so little of those that are putting in the time and working on our behalf, and that will most importantly live under the contract that they negotiated that they then want to back a truck over them. Depressing really.... I have known Heiko since DEX days, and he is a good man. Logical in his thoughts and dedicated to the group. He's a gator, but I'll overlook that and give him my fullest support anyway, but I wouldn't want to do what he has to do, and put up with the constant sniping that he has to endure when he has nothing but the best interests of everybody here at heart.
sorry for the rant