Originally Posted by
DALMD88FO
I agree we have no peer in the industry, however this was posted on the UAL/CAL part of this website
1) Why are our pay rates less than DAL?
· Overall total contract value in 2013 matches DAL, then surpasses DAL in 2014
I'm unconvinced their contract value is higher.... but nobody on here has shown the evidence (including me)
· We could have matched DAL pay rates in 2013 but we put the money in other areas of the contract
o 2013 our B/C fund defined contribution is 2% greater than DAL
Presently the UCAL DC is only 1% more than us
o 2013 profit sharing percentage is greater than DAL
In 2013, they didn't exceed the DAL actual profit sharing; in 2014 going forward, the UCAL profit sharing plan is LESS than DAL
o Vacation value is greater than DAL
Both UAL and DAL pay 3:15 for each vacation day
( but they get an extra week at yr 11 and 25)
o Health care plans are better than DAL
This is true, AFAIK
o M5D rig will increase our W-2 compared to DAL despite lower pay rates
The "M5D" is an ADG of 5:00. The LOA puts DAL above that at 5:15.
So we can move up in these areas if they are true.
AGREED!
It is my opinion that the UAL pilots do not create higher W-2's than DAL pilots. There are other considerations however, and it's a lot of apples v. oranges (think DH and dry cleaning v. reserve rules and 1CA3FO on 8:00-12:00 flts). How the value totals up in the end is up to the experts, but from what I've seen of my friends at UAL and what they are taking home (and how much time at home they get), I would not want to work under their UPA instead of ours.
Overall UALPA did get dang close in total value, AMR eliminated the "LCC anchor" and has a "pay rate parity review" in 2016. All of that plus working for a very profitable DAL enterprise with little debt and strong positive cash flow bodes very well for us in 9 months (much like 2000).
I truly don't care about seeing survey results... I really only care about seeing
actual results**.
**My W-2 was up 23.6% YOY 2012 versus 2013 (for working the same # of days)
My 2013 versus 2014 gross (excluding PS) is up 26.7% YTD.
(in same seat for the entire time)
I'm leaning towards calling those real results, YRMV.