Originally Posted by
finis72
As to your pay rate comparisons: My pay rate in 2004 and my pay rate now are basically the same thanks to all the lemmings that allowed me to move to the top of the food chain.
Originally Posted by
finis72
Basic reading skills; check the 2004 767ER rate and the 2014 777 rate, they are basically the same.
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
I think the problem finis is that you seem to be hailing the concept that your current pay on the 777 is the same (still $5 less) than it was in 2004 even though you jumped 5 pay scales to get it:
2004 rates:
767..... $267.32. ($262.38 for the 777 in 2014)
L1011...$288.92
L1011...$296.94
767-4....$301.89
MD-11...$304.86
777.......$319.61
To still be paid $5 per hour less than you were 10 years ago even though you've climbed 5 pay positions to get it is not exactly something to be crowing about.
Carl
Carl- Thanks for translating for me. Now I understand what he's saying. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but it is proof positive that some guys will claim they are winning despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Reminds me of the knight from Monty Python (..."I'm not dead yet...").
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
