Originally Posted by NuGuy

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you are going to negotiate pay banding, and it results in even a single job loss, then you are selling jobs for pay.

The only question at that point is to what degree ("insert joke here").

Simple as that. Once you cross the moral hurdle, all you have to do is practice that innocent look in the mirror to convince yourself you're OK with it. Obviously, some people are more OK with it than others, and they can lather up a good dose of self-justification and rationalization.

Spin it, polish it, run it through the cleanse-a-rama machine, spray it down with "Guilt-be-gone", or whatever, it's still the same. Pay for jobs. Not just new hires, but every category takes some kind of hit, including WB & Left seats.

If you traded 2 jobs for a $2000/pilot raise or 2000 jobs for a $2/pilot raise, it's still the same, only the numbers and the amount of rationalization you need to do is different.

If you are OK with that, then we can all proceed with the conversation. But everyone should be comfortable with calling it what it is. Pay for jobs.

If you're not OK with this, then there is no point in going forward with any conversation at all.

Nu