Originally Posted by
Denny Crane
Wait a minute! Just a drive by for me Carl, but aren't you contradicting yourself with this post? I think you just admitted defeat!
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Haven't you been saying all along that contract 2012 was cost neutral to the pilots?
First, I haven't been saying anything other than
management's actual quotes. Second, pilots don't pay for their own pay, so pilots couldn't show it as a cost. Management describes C2012 as a cost neutral contract. The argument of stating they meant cost neutral to pilots or cost neutral to Delta is speculation because management didn't say it. They simply said our contract is a cost neutral contract. They did go further to say that the cost savings realized in the pilots' contract would allow Delta to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups. Now management states proudly that all non-pilot employees of Delta are back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.
There are some dots here that seem to connect in my opinion.
Originally Posted by
Denny Crane
Aren't you agreeing right here that is not the case? That pilot costs did go up?
I can't be sure because I don't have access to the data. Regarding whether pilot costs have gone up, it seems that key to the discussion is whether those increased costs were related to C2012. As opposed to increased use of health care by our aging pilot population, etc.
Originally Posted by
Denny Crane
The amount may be debatable.
As stated above, the amount (plus or minus) isn't as important as the relationship of that change to C2012.
Originally Posted by
Denny Crane
I don't know how to multi quote but your response above is to a post by Toga Lk where he said "I think everyone is missing the point, pilot costs definitely went up."
To multi-quote, click the little "+" sign at the lower right of the desired post and wait for the "+" to turn green. Once green, that entire post will appear in whatever else you wish to quote.
Carl