Lots of back and forth here. Reality is that Carl, gszg, sailiing, slow play , pineapple, alpha, etal's generation have done an extremely poor job at improving this Profession. Crazy thing is that WE( mid seniority thru new hires) continues to put up with their BS. We have the votes and if people from our ranks would run ( thank you ACL and NUGUY) we can begin the long road to repair the damage their generation has done.