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Old 07-08-2014 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Jerry,

First of all, thank you for the reply PM. I agree that we must stand strong AGAINST concessions for C2015. In this time of record profits and industry health, I don't believe we should have to "trade" anything for contract improvements either.

Secondly, ya gotta stop using the previous six months of this year's retirements as a "data point" to "cost future retirements." It just doesn't hold water.

I mentioned in a previous post, you then replied, it IS NOT a linear curve, especially based on only the previous six months. Mandatory retirements are listed below:
2014: 62
2015: 170
2016: 229
2017: 287
2018: 416
2019: 511
2020: 613

With what you've stated, we should have 4576 retirements between 2014 & 2020? I wish, but that's not a realistic number.

As someone else posted, it normally averages the mandatory retirements, PLUS 1% of the seniority list. (~120) With 62 mandatory retirements this year, plus ~120 pilots, I expect to see ~182 pilot retirements for 2014. Approximately 71 remaining retirements for 2014. (Average six/month for remainder of the year, might be slightly low.) Next year, 170 mandatory retirements, plus 120 pilots lends to the possibility of 290 (2015) pilot retirements.

It's all a guess until it's in the past, but having our reps take a doubled number of retirements to the negotiating committee calling it "costed data" is doing nobody any good.

Thanks for your concern, at your seniority level. (I mean that.)

Kyle
The reason the numbers don't work is each time a pilot leaves early yup have to remove him from the age 65 year that was his mandatory retirement. If 170 pilots leave early this year who would have gone out in 2015 then you are now at zero planned retirements for 15.