Purple, you must be significantly younger than me if you can wait that long. I've only got 10-12 years left in this biz and am still a zip code seniority number. I cant' afford to waste 5 or 6 of those years parked in NMB limbo. While I agree with some of you in principle, we shouldn't be giving any concessions, I just don't see how under current law we can accomplish that.

Carl, your first two points were calm and reasoned. Then you had to get personal and accusatory. Your constant bombast and denigrating tone really turns some of us off. Without being an Equus africanus asinius, please explain how AMRs negotiations were different from our upcoming negotiations. Explain the remedy that NMB would provide us if management doesn't budge. Also explain why if we are the ones not budging, how would the NMB provide us with said remedy? NewKnow, I'd like you to answer this too, you seem to be able to have an intelligent debate.

And before anyone accuses me of being an ALPA stooge, I've not no affiliation with the union other than poking my rep every once in a while. I've been to a few meetings and even spent the whole first day of the Kingsley trail there because I was on a 717 vacation. I just fly airplanes, cut hay, and hunt deer and turkey. I can see APC hasn't changed while I've been gone. Is it CFB season yet? Can we get some cheerleader pics, please? Roll Tide!