Originally Posted by
TheManager
Not familiar with UCAL
I am...
Originally Posted by
TheManager
They will already surpass us in January 2015. By January 2017, they surpass our A330 A's by $40 per hour.
Not quite right....
DAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $255.28 (DAL PWA p.3-9)
UAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $262.38 (UPA p.29)
AAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $221.63* (AMR-APA Agreement p.3-7)
AAL 2016 A330 12 yr CA: $226.06* (AMR-APA Agreement p.3-8)
*AMR-APA Agreement Supplement A (an LOA) specifies that AA will negotiate an "Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment" to take effect as of Jan. 1 2016. It's a weighted average of UAL and DAL rates.
As of Jan. 1, 2017 (21 months into DAL negotiations) the AA 330 pay rate will be approximately: $266.82
AA has no PS, in 2017 the effective DAL A330 rate with a 10% PS payout will be
$280.81.
That is still $14.00 more than AA.
Originally Posted by
TheManager
They are mired currently in negotiations. This is the true bell weather to watch.
Gary wants PBS. Delta got it in BK for essentially free. SWAPA pilots want a considerable pay raise for it. Gary says there is no $.
Pilots rightly are pointing to savings from PBS as well as revenue lost at the check-in counter vis a vis bag fees.
They are not budging on PBS without considerable pay increases as they will keep trips touching for now, thank you very much.
Fred Smith having same issue at FDX. Wants PBS. Doesn't want to pay up for it as DAL didn't. Then his service failures started happening and now he is changing his tune.
Agreed with all of the above. Both pilot groups have leverage in the line v. PBS talks. If they can get the rules that keep trip touching and carry out intact, PBS is definitely the way to go, but the whole point of PBS for the company is to eliminate the carryout and vacation conflict!
Fred will only start moving when the freight stops moving... Enjoy your summer to the FDX friends!
DAL pilots will benefit greatly if SWA can make improvements (I doubt it), and FDX won't survive peak this year without a new deal, so they will hopefully provide a ladder step up, since our present 777/757 paytables will exceed FDX in 2015.
Originally Posted by
TheManager
Is the captain rep feeding this bull crap, again? I'd think the FO rep has enough intelligence to not publicly state that, but then again...
Regardless, think about it. Put your RA hat on. He would never do such a thing for the reason given.
I don't know about that first part, but we need every pilot at Delta to do that second part when we decide how to improve our contract. It's all business, he "ain't gonna make it rain $$$" on the pilot group without a real good reason.