"I have been in the industry since 1994. WE at Comair went on strike back in 2001 for 89 days to get a decent contract. It was industry leading. Chautauqua agreed to a contract a few months later that under cut our gains. 9-11 did have an impact on that I will concede. But my point is all pilot groups since then have had to deal with the main lines pay to play scheme. It started many years before the PSA pilots agreed to their contract. Many. many years. So when you say we have "ruined it' for every one else think back to what may of been if Chautauqua, then Eagle and the rest had been able to attain Comair plus 1%. "

My point was it has been going in this direction since after we signed that contract. PSA did not all of the sudden sign a concessionary contract out of the blue. Market forces going back years is what has brought us to where we are today.