Only two groups of people can prove your (and DALPA's) numbers to be true. One group is DALPA, and the other is management. So far, both sides refuse to release the costing sheets that would show the net annual and total value to the pilot group. DALPA patently refuses, and management will only release clues by calling C2012 "cost neutral" and then going further by stating "in addition, the cost savings realized by the pilot's contract will allow us to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups." Now the latest clue of management stating that all employee groups (except pilots) are back to their pre-bankruptcy wages.

In my opinion, this isn't just a DALPA bashfest or some abstract academic exercise. It's about the meaning words. Last time, DALPA "heard us loud and clear", and now they say we're poised for "historic gains." What does that mean? Can it be that we'll see a replica of C2012 with a campaign to state that it will cost the company X Billions of dollars...but nobody will show us how those billion figures are derived?

DALPA would do us all a great favor by showing the costed line items and prove where the numbers came from.

Carl