Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

RedeyeAV8R,
You really dislike the IPA,

Nothing could be further than the Truth. I never said I hated or disliked IPA. I simply sated that IPA is nuetral on AGE 60. What kind of stance is that?
We were once independent as well. We realized that being independent we had little political power on the hill.

Here is some things the lowly IPA pressed and push that benefit all of us. I have enclosed some excerpts.

* Cargo airliners were exempted from having to have collision avoidance systems (TCAS). The Independent Pilots Association (IPA) petitioned for rulemaking in 1996.

* Cargo airliners did not have to have escape slides at the entry doors, although some of these doors are up to 20 feet (three stories high) off the ground. The IPA petitioned for rulemaking filed in 1996.

* Cargo airliners were exempted from having to have fire suppression systems in cargo holds, although they are allowed to carry flammable, oxidizing and explosive hazardous materials not allowed on passenger aircraft. IPA comments in Docket 28937 requested fire-suppression capabilities for all cargo holds.

* Airports with only all-cargo operations do not have to have ARFF (Airport Rescue and Fire Fighting) services. The IPA still presses on the Hill for this legislation.

All these things are true, but ALPA was also commenting and lobbying on the Hill for the very same things

We asked for and rcvd help from ALPA as well as other cargo carriers.

And help you received my friend.
As for CAPA,
"CAPA is a trade association comprised of over 22,000 professional pilots. CAPA's purpose is to address safety, security, legislative and regulatory issues affecting the professional flight deck crew member on matters of common interest to the individual member unions.

The five members of CAPA are:
Allied Pilots Association (APA), Independent Pilots Association (IPA),
National Pilots Association (NPA), AirTran,
Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA)
Teamsters Local 1224 ABX Air "

I am well aware of who CAPA is. You forget Fedex (FPA) was once a Major player in CAPA along with CAL. BTW druing those 1996 lobbying efforts
FPA held the 1st Cargo Air sympsoium in Memphis. FPA footed the entire Bill. CAPA and the other Cargo carriers paid nothing.

So CAPA would appear to be neutral on age 60 since it's members, like ALPA, have differing views. ibid NWA as stated by DW. and yet ALPA is "neutral" at this time.

No CAPA appears divided since the 3 major player all have diferent positions, and BTW ALPA is not Nuetral they are currently opposed at this time. (This might change this week when the Exec Board votes). NWA might vote to continue to oppose it, and maybe one other MEC will as well, but ALPA as a group will vote and the majority opinion will prevail. ALPA will have one opinion. not everyone within ALPA will agree but they will still speak with one voice.

Not everyone will be ALPA. It won't work at UPS, I didn't deem that, it comes from the membership, just like the SWAPA, APA, Teamsters etc. Other carriers resist any labor organization, JetBlue and Skywest for example. I am amused by the derogatory comments of ALPA towards others.
However, no aviator can objectively deny the many benefits all have gained by those in ALPA over the years either.

I don't recall "ALPA " making derogatory remarks towards any labor union.
If you think I have you are mistaken and you misinterpteted my point.
I (we) were once part of a Independent. We wised up and realized we would be better off under one Banner. IPA. SWA and APA would too in my opinion, but that is a choice your folks will have to make.


IPA has done OK for the UPS Pilots

All those things you sight, however, ALPA was already involved in and IPA got involved.

Name one piece of Legilsaltion, that IPA did on it's own (without ALPA also simultaneously pursuing it. You can also throw CAPA into that. That is one of the reasons FPA left CAPA and joined ALPA, because there was never any concientious from within CAPA not to mention any funds to lobby with. The SWAPA guys have been lwanting AGE 60 to go away for for years to cite yet one example.

So in summary, let me leave you with this. I harbor no ill will towards IPA and members of CAPA. We are all professional pilots and all want the same things.
A career, Safe schedules, safe equipment and fair representation.

I was simply pointing out the flaw in your logic of ALPA's stance.
You made a derogatory remark about our MEC Chair and I simply responded.
I made no such doregatory remark about IPA or Bob Miller.
I simply stated a fact, he (and IPA) is Nuetral on Age 60 and he has attained that age.