Originally Posted by
Crazy Canuck
Ugh. Can we please stop with the union talk. The fact that skywest doesn't have (or need) a unions was a big factor in m decision to go there.
I can respect that. I came from a non-union flying job and was very apprehensive at first. But unless you plan to stay or go to Virgin America, AND hope they never unionize, then it will become a bigger factor. A pilot union is really smart in this profession, in my opinion.
Originally Posted by
Cruz5350
Just about every single facet of life contains some form of immorality or whipsaws for money. The sooner you realize that that's not ever going to change and that there's nothing you or I could do to change it the easier life gets. Getting bent out of shape about how Inc does business and letting it affect what you do in your free time will prove nothing but a waste of time. I always hate when I hear people say " If it's so bad quit" but there is a little bit of truth to that statement.
You know, you are right. I spend too much time here. I think I'll try to limit it to overnights, sits, and the crapper. But I still feel that regardless of whether I know that just about every facet of life contains some form of immorality, it wont stop me from speaking and acting on my convictions. If instead I was in what I probably would be doing instead, financial planning, I would speak up just as loudly as well. Fact is that right now, this regional industry is the current sphere I'm in. So if I see immorality, I will point it out. And I think everyone should also. Then maybe there wouldn't be as much. We need more of Rosa Parks types to make things better, don't you think? Basically, what I'm saying is that just because it happens, it doesn't make it right. If anything does bend me out of shape is people who justify bad behavior. I'm glad that people like Rosa didnt just quit riding the bus! And she was just ONE person who got a movement going!
Originally Posted by
Crazy Canuck
No but I am smart enough to realize that overall, unions are just as unhelpful as not have gotten a union. They take your money, and generally protect the lazy, incompetent, and the entitled.
You negative nancies may scream the loudest, but I am willing to bet you are in the minority. I've yet to talk to one person (in real life) that has anything seriously negative to say. Just because not everything is perfect does not mean a union is a good idea.
Honestly you whiners should have seen my last job... Wanna talk about needing a union.
This is true. Unions do generally protect the lazy, incompetent, and the entitled. Unfortunately, these people are in all work places. And they would be just as lazy and incompetent at a non-union place. You probably a couple there. This is more of a management function in making sure they hire the right people. But a union is bound by duty of fair representation. They are bound to represent and defend anyone that bound by the contract. Think of them as a defense lawyer. Sometimes OJ gets away with it. But trust me, at least in the airlines, eventually they get caught.
In the airline pilot profession though (cant really speak for any other profession), it is a necessary evil. And it has nothing to do with everything being perfect. Even if it was, this profession is so safety critical, that a union is the best way to ensure you have a say in all aspects of the aviation safety systems. Otherwise, you are just being one of those entitled people who doesn't contribute. Think ASAP.
Anyway, a union is not the end all be all. But if your airline belongs to one (RAA, A4A), or your CEO has an employment contract (all airline CEOs do), then its probably because these smart people know its the smart thing to do. The key is the people you vote in to be in charge.
Originally Posted by
JustAMushroom
He is right about some things. I don't think anyone is blind to it. There is a group of old timers at SkyWest who will never join a union and are pro company even at their own peril. If I had to guess I'd say less than 10%.
A few more are purposefully ignorant but the vast majority are looking at the landscape with clear vision.
He says he's not in the mood to do anyone any favors (regarding pbs, etc) yet he expects SkyWest pilots to do him a favor. When it was just ASA there was a strong sentiment about joining together. But suddenly XJT is invited to the party and they don't bring any beer. And then they kick the dog.
Maybe management just cleverly created animosity to break any unity, but if you were in the industry for any time you knew there was some truth to it. And you couldn't talk to an XJT guy to ask because they were already so ****ed.
What Nev has to realize is the problem isn't the message.
I never said I wouldn't do any favors, especially when it comes to PBS. In fact, I'm on record saying that I would take a bigger concession than the last TA by agreeing to all Skywest work rules, policies, and pay rates if it meant One List. And I don't expect any favors. It would just be nice if you guys joined in on helping out the profession rather than just sit on the sidelines.
Originally Posted by
JustAMushroom
Yes.
Two different questions.
Do you want a binding contract? And....
Would a union vote pass is merging with XJT was included?
And this is something I've mentioned as well. IF you ever had another union vote, I would be that management would float the idea of just merging both airlines in order to sway you against unionizing. But just because you go union, doesn't automatically mean a merger. Management is too smart to give that away. They would still want something in return. And honestly, why shouldn't they? I'm ok with working together to achieve a common goal of having a competitive airline, One Airline, for all of us to compete against the other airlines.
Originally Posted by
Paid2fly
Thanks a lot "Surejet"!
Thanks management for negotiating money losing CPAs.
Originally Posted by
g-code
I have a question for the SkyWest guys. Why the animosity towards XJT? We are always willing to give you guys a ride and we say hi in the terminal. Sure we have a few gems, but so do you....like a CA that accused me of "cutting into his profit sharing check." Our CPA loses money but it isn't our fault. 95% of the guys here do their best to get it done. We did everyone a favor by voting down that TA (if you haven't seen it, it's horrible. Thoughts?
My guess is that most of the animosity you read on here is directed to me. And thats ok with me. I'm fine taking the brunt for stating certain facts and my opinion. I dont expect everyone to agree. We all have our opinions.