Wouldn't even waste my time or energy with those two. They are the typical kind of guys with no understanding since they have only had one job under the RAH umbrella. They wouldn't be able to pass an interview process anyplace else. I am sure both of them tell all the f/o's they fly with about how they could have gone to Frontier/JB/Delta/SW.........they always have an excuse why they are stuck at RAH to make themselves feel better.