We are touching on some of the problems surrounding "the pin"

ALPA leadership, through the years has caused this problem. ALPA defined what the pin used to mean, then changed what it means. ALPA changed policy again and again and therefore the meaning of the pin has changed.

Absolutely no corporate management cares about what ornaments you wear. They already know how many have dues check off. By this and this alone they know how many ball players are on the team.

ALPA needs to figure out what ALPA means today and for the future.

ALPA's inconsistent and incoherent policies and messages have resulted in confusion, especially to those that invested so much and bought the message du jour. The most disenfranchised people I know are ALPA volunteers that sacrificed a heck of allot to do the work and will of ALPA only to see ALPA sell them out. Letter's of Agreement negotiated in the dark of night, Regional Airline policy, Strikes gone bad, Strikes not voted on-but done any way, age 65, Friends of Fred (instructor cadre).

Let's find something besides a pin. Let's tell ALPA what ALPA means. I thought the pilots were on top of the pyramid. If we want ALPA to mean anything and to stand for something then we need to bring back the magic to ALPA. ALPA is just too involved in politics to be consistent regarding the goals of the profession. One big problem we have is we represent competing interests both home and abroad and we pay for those competing interests with the same revenue stream. Why pay for a commuter's contract negotiations which aim to take our flying? I don't understand how that's ethical, much less legal.

Delta pilots aren't happy with ALPA because they feel ALPA has lost its way. Maybe it's because ALPA was too inconsistent regarding policy.

One of the benefits of recalling ALPA reps that have gotten off course is to return stability to the ship. That is really what ALPA needs. Stability to the profession, but moreover, stability to the actual goals of the individual carriers pilot groups, but often times those agenda's compete with one another.....That is a big problem for a National Association.

I am not advocating any recalls, but I've seen them be effective in cases of dishonesty. But the end result was actually a culture shift, which was an unintended consequence.