that chart up put out basically says that 4/8/3/3 and two years of nothing is more money than two years of nothing followed by 13.8/13.8/13.8 thats interesting, but in 2017 we would be $40 hour shy on method one and would need a 23% increase to catch up to method two. oh and thanks to the suggestion for the webinar from whoever, i did the 1100 one just now and it was informative, the new alpos seem to have high standards and be willing to listen and respond for a change lets just hope its not window dressing