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DAL 88 Driver
That's slick, Alfa. Really slick.
So I guess your assumption is that we all retire at the end of 2017? Did you notice where your "average" rate is at that point in the comparison? (More importantly, did you think we wouldn't notice?)
So (for those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon)... notice that the rate in the "2 yr past amendable" example ends up at $254.22, while the rate in the C2012 example ends up at $206.50. That's going to make a difference in 2018 of almost $50 per hour, and then again in 2019 and so forth and so forth (unless something else is negotiated for those years). Plus, in terms of strategy, the "2 yr past amendable" example you gave also establishes that we are actually working and intend to restore our pay, not establish "reasonable" improvements to unreasonable bankruptcy related pay cuts as the new norm.
I sure hope our MEC is not listening to you!
Interesting. Did you really look at that chart? I mean really
look at it? In order to get to those pay rates you are so enamored with, you would actually take a $1000+ hit on earnings. Is that what you really want? Look at them again, and tell me where the curves cross where it is worthwhile for us to fold arms akimbo and then get higher rates. You will have to do some research, but you also have to factor in what you will be losing in the private sector investment market. I don't know about you, but up until July, my portfolio was doing rather well. I don't want to lose the increased contributions that I can be making just to make a point. So why is it so important to you to swing for the fence on every pitch? It still makes no sense to me being the investment guy that you are that you still believe swinging for homeruns is the way to go. Barry Bonds is worthless to us. I want Pete Rose.
More money = Time * money * ROR, and even 5% is much much much better than zero. And in case you didn't know, we aren't going to live forever. I don't want to wait for C2K + inflation (which gets bigger and bigger with each passing day that we stand with arms folded waiting for that glorious payday
).
Oh, and I am sure to placate you he could easily run them out to 2050 to show you even more how ludicrous the waiting game would be. How long do you estimate it will take if we hold fast to a C2K + inflation pay rate before we actually get those rates? If that is not your ultimate goal, then you are blowing a lot of smoke here, because that is what you keep harping on. If you are willing to accept something less on the upcoming contract, what is that number? If it absolutely must be C2K + inflation, how long are you willing to wait to achieve that goal? And please... don't deflect the discussion with the "but dALPA isn't even acknowledging that we have sacrificed, stated any goals, etc etc etc..." Just tell me how long you are willing to go without any pay increase to achieve your goals.