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Old 08-06-2014 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Totally missed my point. By spending the past 10 years acting like we don't expect restoration, we've set expectations that are going to be more difficult to undo than had we set more appropriate expectations from the beginning. We've also set precedents that work against us.

I'm not saying it can't be done. Just saying that DALPA's "proactive engagement" went too far and ultimately has hurt us in our quest to restore our profession and our careers.

Will Donatelli and Morgado use any leverage? I have no idea. I don't even have any idea what it is they are trying to accomplish. Is it restoration? Or is it some nebulous objective where any improvement can be spun as having suceeded? Only the future will tell, but past experience with the Lee Moak disciples would suggest it won't be anything like restoration. They certainly aren't saying anything at this point that would indicate a restorative objective.

Hope I'm wrong. I look forward to being wrong! And, yes, if I start seeing that we're pursuing the restoration of our profession and our careers, I'll be 100% on board. In the meantime, you guys have some serious credibility repair that needs to be done.
I've expected the Delta Pilots to pursue improvements at every turn, and to do it as fast as possible to increase my time off and buying power as much as possible, preferably to 1970's levels. Your "restoration" is a pretty nebulous term too if I may say.

Do you want to restore unlimited rj's? Restore immovable vacation? Restore lower vacation and training? Restore no PWA protections for joint ventures? Do you want to restore reserve pilot pay to 70 hours and 2 short call windows every day on call? Do you want to restore no devation from DH with PS on either end of a trip? Do you want to restore a retirement system that relies solely on the Company's promise to pay a check, and costs you a hefty percentage if you want to make sure your spouse/heirs get paid when you die? Are you just cherry picking what you want to "restore"?

Ok, I'm done with that. Let's find common ground going forward and work from there. I want a lot more improvements, and my checking account bears out that I am much better off than I was 7 years ago (I just tossed out the 7 year old tax docs, it was so ugly then).

I don't believe that increasing pay rates nearly 50% in 8 years is a "precedent that works against us". I'd love to keep up that trajectory as long as we can! I know there are many things in the PWA that are still behind where they need to be, many that have been "restored", and many things that are way better than the "restoration" line you've drawn for 2004. Donatelli and Morgado in this area are tasked with maximizing the PWA and follwing the direction of the MEC reps. It's not their place to decide what the goals are, it's their place to try and achieve the goals as given by their elected representatives.

I actually appreciate most of our back and forth, I'm ok "agreeing to disagree", because I think you stay fairly consistent and only 'go personal' once in a while. I would appreciate you refraining from the "Lee Moak disciple", "ALPA insider", and "you guys"-ing me however. If I have made personal remarks about you please let me know, it is not my intent. WE are in this together. I'm like any other pilot who wants to improve this profession as much as possible, I just happen to step forward and do some union work when asked. Not everyone does, I'm okay with that. I don't, however take "marching orders" from Lee Moak, he's so beyond my level of participation. I wasn't really much of a volunteer when he was the MEC Chairman, and National does much bigger issues.

I am willing to promote the ALPA goals with regards to the Legislative and Safety agenda, and I have stepped forward when Tim, King and Donatelli asked for more volunteerism. They are three VERY different people with VERY different styles, but it doesn't really matter, they all wanted to help put the Delta Pilots back on top of the profession(and when we have multiple pilots bailing from AA, SW, and US to be new hires at DL, I think that says something is being done right over here, but I digress). I have NOT agreed with things each one of them has done, but I'm not going to quit helping or disparage them in public over it. It's okay to not agree 100%, no matter if it's you, Timmy C, King, Donatelli, PD, T, whoever... We are on the same team, and our duly elected reps have decided to chose a Chairman that works for them, and I respect that process. I will keep helping because I find satisfaction in promoting and defending the profession and our careers as Delta Pilots.

Get on board 100% anyway, it's the only way we have a shot at reaching the lofty goals we all have. You won't have a different group negotiating in 2015, this is the team, you can either help push us all forward or you can be an anchor holding us all back. Your choice. We are exactly 8 months from swapping openers, time to start talking up support for the NC and participating when called for Contract preparation with your peers.

P.S. There you went with the "that bunch" thing... Stop with the othering of your fellow Delta Pilots, WE are all in this together.

Last edited by shiznit; 08-06-2014 at 07:41 PM. Reason: P.S. Added; Just saw 88's last post...
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