Yep, Alfa. In your world of bean counting, all you're going to get is propaganda, rhetoric, and personal attack. If it can't be quantified, it doesn't exist and therefore must be "emotional." You confuse statistical records with what can or cannot be done.

So I won't waste my time trying to convince you of anything. On the other hand, hopefully others are more open minded...

Imagine if in 1961 after Kennedy's speech about going to the moon, the U.S. had adopted your mentality. No one had ever gone to the moon before. Statistically, it had never been done. So using your logic, we would have been wasting our time even trying.

Or imagine if mankind had adopted your way of thinking early on. You and I would be sitting in a cave today grunting at each other over whether fire can be started or just happens sometimes, instead of debating here in cyberspace.

So my point is: I hope nobody is listening to you. Unfortunately, I know they are. You are one of the most listened to DALPA insiders among the Moak disciples. Assuming our goal as a group is restoration (which I fully understand is NOT your goal because you don't think it to be "reasonable" or possible), this does not bode well for C2015.

I'm sure you put a lot of time and effort into this. I'm sure those in your echo chamber appreciate it greatly. I can respect your effort and time sacrifice, but honestly I wish you'd hang it up and stop getting in the way of restoring our profession and our careers. Sorry.