Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Well here's the problem with what you're saying, Alfa. They did all that because they first identified, set, and clearly articulated their objective. They rallied the whole country around the objective. Then they went about achieving it with firm resolve and utilizing every possible resource available to them. They worked tirelessly and DID IT in 8 years.

Contrast that with DALPA. We took the massive concessions almost 10 years ago. Not once has DALPA ever articulated that we expect to restore our profession and our careers. Whatever DALPA's objective is (we don't know because nobody in a leadership position will say), a big part of what you've been doing... repeatedly... for the past 10 years is working tirelessly to lower the expectations of our pilot group so that we will accept agreements that make very little progress toward the objective of restoration (which you have said is not a realistic objective). You've failed to rally much more than HALF of the pilot group behind you.

Using the moon analogy, you guys have not only failed to define the objective of landing on the moon, you've continually argued against it. After 10 years (not 8) you've barely gotten us out of orbit! And we STILL don't know if we're trying to land on the moon or if we're maybe just trying to see how high of an orbit we can achieve with no particular goal in mind. Based on what DALPA has actually said and done, it appears that landing on the moon is not even remotely a consideration.

I think my analogy is pretty spot on, whether you like the point it makes or not.