Originally Posted by
Bzzt
Embraer there is no point in attempting to rationally argue with the crowd around here. You have to remember that a large portion of our pilot group knows nothing but how to fly an airplane. When you talk about how businesses work they just get angry, call you names, and scream burn it down.
The last offer was good for both parties, it offered stability at Envoy for those of us who wanted to stay here and opportunities at AA for those who wanted to move on. The flow would have attracted plenty of new hires, and a lot of FOs would have gotten the opportunity to upgrade and improve their resume in hopes of attaining employment at DAL or UAL while waiting in their flow to AA. All of this for a pay cap which protects the company of the market takes a dump again. On that note I have some bad news for the burn it down crowd, if the economy goes to **** and AAG declares bankruptcy you'll be getting that 12/4 deal but with no positives to offset the negatives.
We as a pilot group were led astray by the union for a motive I can't comprehend. At the same time it was all too easy for the union to whip the majority of our pilot group into a frenzy and sell a gamble over an impending pilot shortage making other airlines unable to fly the 170s for AAG. I hope everyone learns from this and won't blindly follow their MEC, company, or anyone else in the future.
Also don't give me that hollow argument of "I don't trust the company". If you don't trust them then go somewhere else because no matter what you negotiate it won't be worth the paper it's printed on, including the current garbage contract you're all so willing to hit the unemployment line over. I'd advise you all to research contract compliance law and how the courts protect negotiated contracts but frankly I don't think the majority of the sheep here are intelligent enough to comprehend the law.
Once eagle closes I will have lost 2 jobs in my lifetime over union politics and dimwitted people making decisions for me, forgive me if I don't have the patience for all the blind anger, union rhetoric, and stupidity I see from this pilot group on a daily basis.
In closing the company will always win, they're smarter, better trained, and not hamstrung by archaic organizations (unions) who haven't been useful since "The Jungle". Not to mention it is their money, and they're not going to give you more than what they feel you're worth and can afford.
Inc. indignant rage with no rational argument from some, name calling from others, and the sunglasses smiley emoticon from eaglefly.
This is true...and I'm at my wits end. I don't know everything or always make the best decisions, but I am able to rationalize situations and walk a mile in other people's shoes.
More importantly, I studied Business in college with a heavy emphasis in Negotiations. We studied and practiced the art of business negotiations and broke it down into a science.
The road I see us being led down by all the "aeronautical science" hot heads is scary and dangerous. They talk about "entitlement" attitudes but fail to look in the mirror. They are all acting like that crying kid who is throwing a fit in public, sitting on the ground with his arms crossed and refusing to move.
That IS NOT how negotiations work and will lead us nowhere...which is where this current Union has led us so far. There are some who are truly good guys with good intentions, John Gardner was one of them and I wish he was still here.
The rest, such as the man in question all feel they are soooo much smarter than everyone else. They don't need to listen to input, opinions, or other points of view because they already know everything. A steady stream of sheep lower their heads and follow behind him as if he is the Messiah. And that is exactly how he views himself now...as the all knowing Messiah who can't tell you things for your own good. Oh, but excuse me while I go talk with Pedro behind everyone's back
