Originally Posted by Bzzt

Embraer there is no point in attempting to rationally argue with the crowd around here. You have to remember that a large portion of our pilot group knows nothing but how to fly an airplane. When you talk about how businesses work they just get angry, call you names, and scream burn it down.

The last offer was good for both parties, it offered stability at Envoy for those of us who wanted to stay here and opportunities at AA for those who wanted to move on. The flow would have attracted plenty of new hires, and a lot of FOs would have gotten the opportunity to upgrade and improve their resume in hopes of attaining employment at DAL or UAL while waiting in their flow to AA. All of this for a pay cap which protects the company of the market takes a dump again. On that note I have some bad news for the burn it down crowd, if the economy goes to **** and AAG declares bankruptcy you'll be getting that 12/4 deal but with no positives to offset the negatives.

We as a pilot group were led astray by the union for a motive I can't comprehend. At the same time it was all too easy for the union to whip the majority of our pilot group into a frenzy and sell a gamble over an impending pilot shortage making other airlines unable to fly the 170s for AAG. I hope everyone learns from this and won't blindly follow their MEC, company, or anyone else in the future.

Also don't give me that hollow argument of "I don't trust the company". If you don't trust them then go somewhere else because no matter what you negotiate it won't be worth the paper it's printed on, including the current garbage contract you're all so willing to hit the unemployment line over. I'd advise you all to research contract compliance law and how the courts protect negotiated contracts but frankly I don't think the majority of the sheep here are intelligent enough to comprehend the law.

Once eagle closes I will have lost 2 jobs in my lifetime over union politics and dimwitted people making decisions for me, forgive me if I don't have the patience for all the blind anger, union rhetoric, and stupidity I see from this pilot group on a daily basis.

In closing the company will always win, they're smarter, better trained, and not hamstrung by archaic organizations (unions) who haven't been useful since "The Jungle". Not to mention it is their money, and they're not going to give you more than what they feel you're worth and can afford.

Inc. indignant rage with no rational argument from some, name calling from others, and the sunglasses smiley emoticon from eaglefly.