Originally Posted by
shiznit
You can theorize that was the reason, more time to "beat up on the reps", but but that doesn't provide any evidence.
Per the Delta MEC Policy Manual, the reps are required to have any TA for at least seven days unless the MEC votes to waive that provision (they didn't). Also, discussion is amongst the reps, no one else has speaking rights unless it is to answer a reps questions. The Chairman functions as a moderator, keeping a speakers list, and to have SME's available to the reps to answer detailed inquiries or to explain a provision when there are questions. It is the Reps, not the admin who control the process once an agreement is in front of them. I still can't find the part where 16 (the MEM reps were supposedly given speaking rights even though they had technically lost their LEC the month prior, but they had given direction and redirection for the entire process and had a pretty legit claim to being involved in the deliberations even in their vote didn't count according to the by-laws) of our peer elected representative were fooled so badly or beat up on so hard that they "fell in line" so willingly. Please show me some concrete evidence that somehow 5 out of the 14 voting reps (or two others) didn't fall for the ruse. I don't believe that our peers are that gullible or foolish. Those reps made a very difficult call, and the pilot group agreed with it nearly 2:1.
I don't think that thousands of supposedly intelligent pilots and their deeply involved representatives are fooled that easily, I guess others do believe that.
I didn't theorize anything. I'm very involved with my rep and have always been. I had to go back to many people and apologize because the 4833 leaked and I said that there was no way that would be put in front of us. I called my rep and he said the same thing. Then he had to come back to me and explain that yes it was indeed true and that there was serious debate because the contract did not meet the goals of the pilots that elected him. I even had a very long discussion with HK the lead negotiator for us. I've known him since almost my first day at Delta, after an hour we just agreed to talk about our families.
You like to throw around statements like "so fooled" I never said that you did. What I did say is that the contract did not meet the requirements of the pilots via their reps, however the negotiators felt that this was the absolute best that they could get without a drawn out section 6 which could possibly cost us the 717's and the credit for letting them get rid of the RJ's.
I try not to get involved with these threads as there are rabid opinions on both sides. I'm done with this one. I will continue to contact my rep and I will vote accordingly, which may not be how he voted.