Originally Posted by
forgot to bid
Okay, from memory I once heard that the debate between DALPA and NWALPA about 1.5x vs GS systems didn't in the end make a huge difference in total compensation for the pilots. It was about the same. The difference was where the money went, it was presumed 1.5x favored senior pilots, GS pay favored everyone.
As many of us know, GS doesn't necessarily favor everyone and there a lot of junior pilots flying a lot of hours per month who would love 1.5x but at the same time GS are fun when they're around.
But more importantly, I'm not sure any of that calculation accounted for the WS Mafia- which requires high seniority to pull off.
I think that's why just maybe we take another look at something that accounts for all of the above.
So would 1.5x/2x pay system with a cap plus a GS system add more money and respect seniority but temper the WS Mafia thus requiring more staffing? I.e. help us become more overpaid, under worked and oversexed?
75-80 hours 1.5x pay on credit hours
80+ 2x pay on credit hours
ALV block cap
GS pay 2x pay and excluded from a cap
Heyas FtB:
The NWA system was a bit more complicated than 1.5x > 80. There was also a "premium trip" portion that was basically identical to the green slip system. They were basically short notice trips, and paid 1.5x regardless, or if you were already over 80, they paid 2.25x (or the portion over 80).
Now if OT over 80 would make people stampede to the WSs, you're probably right. What people forget about the NWA system was that there were a fairly complex set of caps that went along with it.
Unless you had a high negative bank, or training (which you could take for pay, no credit, full credit and anything in-between at the time of bidding), it was pretty difficult to get more than 5 hours past the "monthly max", which usually floated around 85 hours.
My guess (and it's only a guess) is if you tried to implement a cap system here, people would lose their minds. Even if you jacked the pay rates up to where they were in 2004, plus inflation, people would still complain about a cap.
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