744: no offense taken. I've definitely chilled out over the last yr. I was pointing out the difference between mission and flight. Often I hear folks make sure "us" mil folks don't refer to it as a mission. Whatever anyone wants to call it, each pattern should be completed safely within the rules governing our flight operations and the CBA. As to what the updated CBA looks like, we all have ideas and suggestions that will certainly improve quality of life. I'm just probably not the right person to figure that out right now since I'm new to union politics. Nor was I present when the current contract was signed. All I know is hearsay (he said she said). But if I was to asses from an outside perspective I would say that instead of the current situation being union negotiating with the company it 'a union guy vs union guy right now. Mostly because folks don't read what's already there. How can folks argue for a new contract in one breath and then not know what's in the current one? Seems counterintuitive. As a new guy it's sad to see so much focus on the past and not focusing on real negotiations arguments for next year. while some info on his thread is relevant I think the nit noid. Details should be on the union board. It's not always productive to show your a$$ in public.