Originally Posted by
JoeMerchant
Nevets and others try to blame all of this on some grand conspiracy of SkyWest Inc. to purposely make XJT unprofitable. That simply isn't true.
The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.
These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.
After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
Its not a conspiracy. But I'm actually saying that this is more CAL's doing than anything else. I said in an earlier post that SKW just played a hand in all this and are now trying to correct past mistakes. It certainly wasn't on purpose but thats exactly how it turned out, an unprofitable XJT.
Look, management told us before the vote, with no new contract, no new aircraft and we are stuck with a static fleet plan in the mean time. And yet we still all voted no overwhelmingly. So it doesn't matter about past
CPAs. We all said we don't want concessions, regardless. So we continue with our current contracts and they draw down the fleet. So what's the big deal?
Anyway, each MEC has been acting in their pilots' best interest. Its only one MEC who complains about the other doing that.
Originally Posted by
captlonestar
Nevets - I haven't read any of your posts, but I noticed you seemed like the one XJT'er that kept this ridiculous thread going in its current direction. If what bedrock wrote is a summery of your posts then I owe you an apology. This summery is correct information. Please don't feed these trolls anymore. Youre not going to change anyone's mind on here.
My only reason for replying on this thread lately is to refute falsehoods like who bought who. The whole check in discussion was that about how that actually does affect qol and it doesn't hurt performance, like some where falsely saying.
Originally Posted by
JoeMerchant
The bubble you are living in is thinking that regional CPAs can pay what they did in their heyday when mainline carriers couldn't get their hands on enough RJ flying and paid top dollar for those CPAs. In addition, CalExp/XJT had the added benefit of being the exclusive feed for CAL. Both of those days are long gone. Instead of being a shortage of RJ feed and an exclusive operator, there is now a surplus of RJ feed and you are one of many subcontractors vying for that shrinking business.
The real amazing part is how many of you can't see that and still think this is the same FFD business as it was 15 years ago.
The real amazing part is that you cant see that we still voted no despite all of that and we are happy not to take concessions.
Originally Posted by
Captain Tony
And let's not forget these industry outliers, which are the true reason XE is losing money:
Industry leading 50 seat RJ rates
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
Inability of the company to contact on-duty crew members for rescheduling except in person
No operational flexibility
Angry labor groups, unwilling to perform above minimum requirements of contracts.
This is not a union vs union pi$$ing contest. This is a very real merger failure because of diametrically opposed cultures clashing in a vacuum of leadership.
So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
The true reason XJT is losing money, as CC said on the earnings call, is bad CPAs. But regardless, I think our vote said that we are ok with being parked. So what's the big deal? Anyway, I don't think its appropriate for a member of the joint negotiating committee to be posting the company's position on the XJT contract, especially since its standard practice that you don't post anything on social media to begin with.
Originally Posted by
NVUS
They no longer want you to work for less. They are just going to have you not work or get paid any longer. Kills two birds with one stone.
If the draw down of aircraft is equal to attrition, then everyone is happy. If the draw down forces furloughs you can always go to Mesa, and making even less than what the company originally offered.
Yeah, they actually said they are no longer looking for concessions. They are ok with the current combined cost of the entire pilot group. And that's despite RAH, EGL, and Silver voting no to concessions, and PSA and SKW voting yes on their concessions.
By the way, CC also said on the earnings call that they are working on a schedule to park aircraft so as to no have to furlough. We will see. I think they will have to park aircraft faster than that.
Originally Posted by
mexipilot84
I still don't understand this battle between MECs I'm on LXJT side and I would be alright trying a beta of smart pref and flight line side by side and see their results at the end of a bid. Obviously allow LASA pilots to do the same. Definitely allow the pilots to make the choice not our MECs. FL or smartpref does not matter not like our hard lines have been worth a crap anyway. Might as well allow us to get a glimpse of both no? Time to lift these walls and get moving to building a better QOL for all of us I think.
Amen to that! I would love to run parallel with both smartpref and flight line and have the ASA guys do the same with smartpref.
Originally Posted by
g-code
Well I've attended the meetings and talked to people in the know and the stuff on here is....well crap. LXJT is getting PBS and some of the outliers will be gone with the new contract. That's a fact. The hold up is the SmartPref/Flightline battle. I'm not going to point fingers because I think it will get worked out.
As I said earlier, I've only ever encountered one ASA guy I didn't care for. The stuff I see here is a few extremists arguing. The vast majority of us want a deal done and that will happen. I will say though that when ASA was looking at potential furloughs a year or so ago nobody over here seemed happy about it...you guys on here wanting LXJT to fade a away (along with over 1,000 pilots hired post merger) are reflecting poorly on your pilot group.
If I were to guess, the ASA side wants Flightline locked in now because if it isn't then it could eventually come down to a pilot group vote...which would probably swing in LXJTs favor. Since we are losing airplanes, there is perceived leverage.
We should all remember that we will eventually be flying together and act accordingly.
Not so fast! Yeah, they can present another TA with a bunch of concessions again but its ultimately up to the combined pilot group to decide if we want that, assuming it gets past the MECs, that is.
As for PBS, the XJT MEC offered to weigh the vote equally in order to decide which PBS survives after a pilot vote.
Originally Posted by
air101
Not in a union. And really... I don't wish harm on others, but when Nevets does nothing but come on here and spew hate and vitriol just to drive the wedge deeper between L-XJT and L-ASA/SKW then yes, I do wish she would just go away.
What hate have I spewed on ASA? I don't hate ASA or anyone else for that matter. Hate is a VERY strong word and there is no one on this earth that I hate. Im simply trying to correct inaccuracies. Of course I state my opinion but I would hardly call that hate and vitriol.
Originally Posted by
motormadness
To be fair, what Nevets does on here, is the exact same thing John does on Facebook.
You give me too much credit.
But seriously, I don't go anywhere telling people to get on board or that we bought you, or that you should take concessions. Thats what some of these ASA guys do to us on here and on FB. I fight for our contract! I want them to have our contract! I fight against concessions of any kind! They don't reciprocate. And somehow I'm the bad guy?