OK for the record the ALPA reps at indoc were good guys and mentioned all the good ALPA has done. I didn't want this to come off bad, I thought I was just stating a fact.

Now since I'm here I'll through in my $.02. I don't know why everyone is so worriied at FedEx about the age 60 rule. 80% of the Capts I have flown with say they are going to retire at 60 regardless of the rule. Unless the rule change makes it so they can't without some major penalty. With that said, people worrying about upgrade really don't have much of an argument. Second, I know we would like to stop this but the reality is; it is going to change. There are just too many heavy hitters trying to make it happen. Now the way I see it, the best way to keep the upgrade flow going, is to make it so that 80% can go ahead and retire without a penalty. This seems to the direction ALPA is heading.