The thing is though, with those results, you cannot accurately measure anything because as has been stated ad nauseum (not surprising that you don't get it) you have no clue.. as to the negotiations. You only see what the group wanted.. and what was obtained, and you make your value judgement based on your personal view as to it's overall success with your personal bias firmly in place. That does not remotely indicate the effectiveness of the negotiators as much as you think it does. And I call bullchit that you do not want to destroy dALPA. You constantly berate anything they ever do, you openly supported the doughnut holes and their continued divisiveness, and probably still do even though you sort of deny it here. I have never read one single thing you have written that praises anything done on your behalf from the MEC. Nothing. And frankly, I have had you on ignore for the better part of 6 months since I grew tired of reading your crapola. The only time I had to read any of it was when you got quoted. I read this latest nonsense after I called you out, so I had to read the response. So it's back to the dungeon with you. Ciao.