Originally Posted by
Raptor
I'm a FedEx pilot and just enjoy browsing the forums--so I'm not trying to troll this.
Welcome. Great to have you here.
Originally Posted by
Raptor
But, I'm curious about this inability to view openers at Delta. At FedEx our contract openers are available for all the FedEx pilots to see. Since we are ALPA too, I don't think there is any policy against having contract opening positions published? After all, the company gets these openers so why shouldn't the pilots too? I don't understand why initial positions aren't available to the Delta pilots? Can anyone tell me why this is so?
I think you guys get similar to what we get now which is a very generalized "opener." It wasn't always that way. We used to get a detailed report of our opener shortly after it was exchanged with management. I remember once reading about our opener because management released it first in an attempt to shame us because of our outrageous demands. Fun times.
Last time, our negotiating committee and MEC administrators behaved very badly and were removed from their positions as a result. But only after they did the damage of signing a TA with management that included an item specifically prohibited by the reps. Being able to know our own survey results or detailed contract opener would allow us to mitigate some of these shenanigans, but as you can see we have some people that strongly fight any release of a detailed opening position or survey results...even after it's over. There's two sides to their argument. You can't see this stuff during negotiations because it's like showing your hand in poker (or some similar metaphor). And you don't need to see it afterwards because it's over now and you only want it to bash the union anyway.
Bottom line, we don't get to see our survey results. Ever. We don't get to see our opening position of negotiations. Ever.
Carl