Originally Posted by
Raptor
That being said, I would think that I would expect only as much as the pilot group would be willing to demand--and I am not in a position to gauge that at Delta.
You're exactly right. The problem is that we're not able to gauge that either because our union refuses to release anything that shows us what the pilot group is demanding.
Originally Posted by
Raptor
I would think if you've been loud and clear to your union, I would expect as much increase in benefits as you've told them you need--otherwise they couldn't get something ratified?
Last time was a pretty bad time regarding trust. Our reps specifically prohibited the negotiating committee from giving away any profit sharing. But the NC signed a TA that gave away part of our profit sharing. Many reps tell the story of an unapologetic NC spending a week in closed session with the reps arm twisting and threatening mass resignation unless the reps ratified the TA. In the end, the reps voted to ratify and the members voted 62% yes after a massive fear and sales campaign from the negotiating committee to vote this thing in or else you'll definitely not like management's plan B.
So that's how we get things ratified these days at Delta. It's one of the reasons half of Delta pilots signed a card at one time to remove ALPA and try a new union. Sadly, that effort is losing momentum now.
Originally Posted by
Raptor
Therefore, you either trust in the leadership you have elected or you don't.
That's sure the issue with us now. My position is that I shouldn't be asked to just trust the leadership that my reps elect. We should be able to see documents providing the measurable metrics that would instill trust. Our MEC patently refuses to do that.
Originally Posted by
Raptor
And, that's the crux of what I see in these Delta threads on APC: there at least two major "camps" or "parties" of pilots at Delta. Which is the larger "party" I don't know. And, I don't know if the Delta MEC leadership is a minority or majority "party" in power at the moment?
That nails it. It's very hard to know which is the majority party. I strongly suspect that the minority position is in power, but they get things ratified by scaring pilots who are risk averse by nature. I can't prove that however. Of course the other side claims the 62% yes vote is a ringing endorsement of the MEC, ALPA and the entire internal process further proving that pilots like me are the whiney minority who should be ignored.
Carl