Sometimes the only way to get the attention of the room is to make some loud noise. Especially when you are being threatened by the same group that said they would shut down Envoy, without a yes vote. That same group that has been trying to repair that screw-up for nearly a year now. Most of the ENY pilots here, want you to stand with us to get an industry standard contract, especially when the parent corp is rolling in cash. However, your MEC chair bailed on the FFD committee as did a few other carriers relative to your size. Furthermore, the language in that TA is horrible and offers nothing to your benefit. Please if you think it does, cite specific references. I have a copy and would be happy to go over your points. Also remember we have guys on our property that waited 16 years to flow through, if the music stops which it might, where will you be then? Wishing you made a better decision. Just like I wish we would have let AMR serve us up with an 1113.