Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
I appreciate Raptor's response as well, but let's remember this began as a question regarding the accuracy of DALPA's contract comparison. I think it's clear now that DALPA didn't show the whole picture when comparing the FDX vacation system versus ours.
Carl
Yeah, except that it wasn't. Raptor's very first post in this thread quoted the portion of your post that is in bold below. Your post didn't mention the contract comparison.
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
You're doing a great job of making your point. DALPA (and their loyal supporters here) are very reticent to provide anything by which their effectiveness can be measured. That's why you're seeing these attempts at confusion and diversion. Survey results (after the contract is signed) would provide that measurement reference. Showing us our own opening position (after the contract is signed) would also do that. And it is for that very reason that they'll never be released.
The closest thing we'll ever get to measuring our union leadership performance is by looking at the vote totals of the members.
Carl
Raptor's response to that quote in his first post didn't mention a contract comparison either. All it said was this:
Originally Posted by
Raptor
I'm a FedEx pilot and just enjoy browsing the forums--so I'm not trying to troll this. But, I'm curious about this inability to view openers at Delta. At FedEx our contract openers are available for all the FedEx pilots to see. Since we are ALPA too, I don't think there is any policy against having contract opening positions published? After all, the company gets these openers so why shouldn't the pilots too? I don't understand why initial positions aren't available to the Delta pilots? Can anyone tell me why this is so?
Once negotiations begin however, we don't get any specific information on the negotiations other that what sections they are bargaining this session, if there's progress on a section, which sections are essentially complete, etc. We get some information on big items that are in contention, but that's it until we see a TA for a vote.
It was about openers and he had taken your posts to indicate that we got nothing published to the pilot group in that regard. Come to find out, we get pretty much exactly what they get.
I am not discounting your statement regarding the vacation comparison though. It shows that we are behind FedEx, but the notes could have provided some additional details which would have shown the extent better. I value feedback from guys like Raptor to enlighten us to some of the nuances of other contracts.