Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
We get to a stand off here very quickly. I do not believe you understand the current cost structure, nor have you ever "shut me up with the numbers" as requested. My work has been accepted by the carriers managers and underwriters to resolve disputes when aircraft have been damaged and removed from service. The numbers you rely on were generated to cost out the "benefit" of outsourcing and accepted to the extent that management, our pilots and association ratified the result..
If you want the numbers as proof, get yourself appointed and confirmed to the MEC codeshare committee. You won't be able to continue "for profit" work in any venue that could use those numbers, but if it is truly your concern then it should be a small sacrifice to make. I know you've heard from multiple sources that the numbers exist and were validated several different ways. The result doesn't comport with what you believe, but the numbers are what they are.
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
We agree (and have both written here) that it takes a business plan both parties can agree to undo the damage which has been done to our profession. It is most unfortunate that someone with your experience would treat unity within our association as a trite notion. It is morally repugnant that our fiduciary would engage in the sale of one member's job to benefit another member. Such a subsidy is unworkable going forward. We are out of pilots to work the fields. Your own numbers show the promise of short term servitude providing a quick path to the majors does not work.
I don't treat it as a "trite notion." I've worked to do something about it, and our last contract had significant scope recapture on both ends. Your comment is uncalled for. One other point, we are where we are, not where you wish us to be. Any solution (business plan) that you bring has to recognize that.
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
You can fight me on the outsourcing of 100 seat jets for a couple of bucks on one contract and you may very well win.
Now why would I do that? Even you've admitted in posts here that our Scope has improved. And where is that fight going to be? Between anonymous pseudonyms on a webboard or where it might actually make a difference...in discussions with the MEC and DCI pilot groups plus Delta and DCI management?
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
Unity is not a "bleat." Unity is the reason our predecessors created our union. Unity is why the DPA should be defeated. Unity pays you (whether you work for ALPA, or Delta). Without unity you and I are worth somewhere about what the Allegiant pilots make.
Again, a wish without a strategy is just a wish (or as I term "bleat"). We are agreed that unity pays better than disunity. But you've got to start from where we are, Bar. And you've got to bring all the players along, not just the ones that you believe will agree with you.