Originally Posted by alfaromeo

I guess that now we have officially abandoned the cost neutral argument. The numbers are just overwhelming. I helped prepare the costing sheets but they belong to the MEC and not to me. If the MEC wants to release them they can but I can't. Certainly you understand that when you produce a work product for an organization, it belongs to them and not to you.

The funny part is I can post the spreadsheet or I can tell what the result is. Apparently you will believe the spreadsheet but not what I tell you. In fact, if I posted the spreadsheet you would just claim they were made up numbers anyway. The grand total is just north of $1.012 billion.

The facts are that we got a 19.5% increase in total cash compensation and that includes the full hit on profit sharing. The only other concessions were manpower concessions, and the graph of pilots required shows the manpower required by the CONTRACT and thus it is the only relevant measure of what those concessions mean. The total hit was around 100-150 pilots with an mean of 125 based on average conditions. That blip is shown in the summer of 2013. After that blip, the steady rise in pilots required reflect the major shift in flying from regionals to mainline; that shift was the sine qua non of the entire deal in 2012 and that has been delivered more than promised in the ratification materials.

Without showing some more evidence of manpower reductions, there are no other mysterious concessions to offset that 19.5% increase in cash compensation. You can't just say "concessions offset the pay" without pointing out what the concessions were or showing how those concessions have resulted in fewer pilots required by our contract.

The company saved some money from RJ maintenance, some on RJ contracts, some with increased revenue from passengers flying on two class aircraft instead of 50 seaters. None of that money came from Delta pilot's pockets and instead ended up in our pockets. I seriously don't care what sources of revenue/cost savings they find elsewhere in their cost structure. The money is green and spends just the same wherever it came from.

The bottom line: 19.5% cash compensation; numerous work rule improvements; better vacation; more mainline flying. That is the net effect of that contract. May not be enough for you but the numbers are the numbers. It was not cost neutral for pilots, not even close, the end state is plus $400 million. The rest of this argument is just noise.