That's such a cop out. Why don't you try debating the issues rather than deflecting with that crap? Not everyone can or wants to be a rep... and I'm sorry but that doesn't disqualify any of us from stating our opinions. I have yet to see anyone in DALPA give me any indication whatsoever that they are working with the objective of restoring the value of our profession and our careers back to what we all reasonably expected when we were hired. Until I see that, I'm going to be critical. I pay dues just like everybody else and I call it like I see it. If you don't like it, you can KMA.

I think "the reps" are selling us short. I think they've bought into the DALPA conventional wisdom that bankruptcy was a reset and that we can only expect "reasonable" improvements from the unreasonable cuts we took, which means restoration is off the table. I don't buy that. And there are thousands of us (maybe a majority, maybe not) that don't buy it either.

There's nothing magic about stating an objective. It takes a lot more than just that... developing a plan, implementing the plan, and making sure we have the resolve to achieve the plan. No one (including me) has ever said it would be easy. I think it would have been a little easier if we had come out of bankruptcy and immediately began pursuing restoration, instead of spending the past DECADE acting like we don't ever expect anything of the sort. THAT, my friend, has made the task infinitely more difficult.

But there is one thing I can virtually guarantee you. And that is the glaringly obvious observation that one is extremely unlikely to achieve something significant and difficult without first defining the objective and then developing a plan around that objective. The fact that DALPA refuses to do this with restoration tells me everything I need to know about their intentions. And when my reps go along with that, it tells me everything I need to know about them.

See the above sentence in bold. I'm still waiting on that one. I've been disappointed by every rep I've ever had in ATL, with the one exception of Sam D. THAT is the kind of "stick to your guns" principle we need and are sorely missing IMO.

I'll second that!

Okay, I agree with most of that. I too have a high level of respect for the responsibility with which they have been entrusted. I also know it's not easy and it's not going to be easy. Not after the kind of massive cuts we took. And especially not after we've wasted all this time acting like we don't ever expect to rectify that situation.

But you don't ever give up on something that's important to you... unless you've predetermined that it's not possible. And THAT is where I think the real disagreement is. I believe restoration IS possible. Definitely not easy, but possible. Most of those in the MEC over the past decade either believe or have been willing to go along with the belief that restoration is not possible because it would take "unreasonable" improvements. Since it's mathematically impossible to recover from unreasonable losses with reasonable increases within any kind of reasonable time frame, then ipso facto DALPA believes restoration is off the table. And we've spent the past decade telegraphing to the whole world that we believe it's off the table!

I disagree. The vast majority of what I say here is disagreement based on facts. I look at the facts and form my opinions. I often use those facts to support my opinions. Others look at the same set of facts and form a different opinion. So be it.

My reps have continually disappointed me for the past decade. As far as I'm concerned, this restoration as an objective thing is not negotiable. If a rep doesn't support restoration, then that's a non starter for me. I've seen too many examples of flips flops once someone gets elected as a rep and too many examples of political non-answers to input. I call it the way I see it. If you don't like it... tough.