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Old 09-16-2014 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Here are some facts a mediator is likely to consider. Delta is making billions, seriously billions! Comparable pilot groups have comparable contracts. It'd be better if comparable pilot groups had better contracts but at least there is no US Airways out there making 40% less than us. Hell, the worst out there right now is probably Jet Blue and they just voted in ALPA because they aren't happy about it. Our company values labor peace to the point they talk about it to investors. We hold the keys to labor peace and if the company wants it they are going to have to pay for it.
Completely agree.

Originally Posted by Oberon
These are all good things. Really good things.
Yes they are.

Originally Posted by Oberon
This is a really good environment to negotiate yet some here want our representatives to scream "restoration" and (figuratively) kick management in the nuts.
You characterize our rational and proven desire as a "scream" and analogize restoration to figuratively "kicking management in the nuts." Didn't you just say that your angle was rational thought and how much you like fact-based debate?

Originally Posted by Oberon
Great idea. The minute you do that you lose any chance of monetizing labor peace over something a mediator likely doesn't care about. This doesn't make sense to me.
We got it Oberon. You equate wanting restoration as figuratively "kicking management in the nuts." If you really believe that, it's no wonder this doesn't make sense to you. It'll be difficult to understand each other if we mischaracterize each other this badly.

Carl
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