I don't think people are saying its a hopeless endeavor or to give up. I hate to say it this way the system is the way it is. People can talk about one seniority list, higher pay and a pilot shortage all they want. In the end none, I mean none of it will change or even become close to what it should be. Sadly the only people that care about the plight of pilots are pilots. The public doesn't care, the union doesn't care and sadly even most pilots don't care (apathy at this point). Accept the crap sandwich for what it is... it will never be filet mignon, except for a small percentage of pilots.