Originally Posted by
alfaromeo
Can anyone explain how a magazine article has anything to do with contract negotiations?
When the union's
president explains what will happen with contracts going forward, and that union leader decides on the funds that will be re-distributed to Delta pilots in pursuit of negotiated goals, the quotes from Moak are very relevant. But you knew that.
Originally Posted by
alfaromeo
Let's just assume that the article is 100% correct, what in the hell difference does it make? Does anyone think someone will actually sit down at a negotiating table and quote this article as some definitive source?
100% guaranteed. Especially since Moak has said nothing to refute the quotes. It makes those quotes accurate. By your silence on the content of those quotes, you agree with them too. But we all knew that about you Alfa.
Originally Posted by
alfaromeo
Just to be clear, negotiations are about money and data.
No, negotiations are about leverage, pressure and PR when the end game nears. Money and data are simply the currency traded during the game while it's being played.
Originally Posted by
alfaromeo
You guys argue on webboards and think that negotiations are some PR contest. They are not. There is not one media article that will affect the outcome in any way.
See above. Moak's quotes were very damaging to us, but very helpful to an MEC looking for a way to underachieve.
Originally Posted by
alfaromeo
Bottom line; who cares what a stupid magazine says?
The "stupid" magazine didn't say anything Alfa. Moak did. The magazine simply conveyed the message.
Originally Posted by
alfaromeo
If it doesn't affect your goals it doesn't affect anyone else's either.
Our goals are only part of the complex equation that is negotiations. The article gave other players ammunition against us. That changes the equation. That's why Moak did it. He wanted to ensure influence and damage to pilots' negotiating position after he leaves office. It sets the table well for him in his new role at A4A or some other anti-labor organization.
Originally Posted by
alfaromeo
If you want to be taken seriously then act serious. This whole argument is fluff.
Serious problems aren't solved by your name calling Alfa. It only shows you have no argument whatsoever and are relegated to bashing people. You are consistent however. You are also tremendously educational as well regarding someone fostering the Ford and Harrison anti-labor tactics. Some pilots have a hard time believing one of our own could act this way. Everyone needs continuous reminders. Thanks for that.
Carl