Originally Posted by
Herkflyr
"Limited" upside? Are you kidding me? Tbe ADG (applicable to reserves and dh-only duty periods, both firsts in the history of our airline) is probably one of the best two or three contractual improvements EVER, and guys like you are just "meh."
Unbelievable. I don't care if it took a few months to program the company computers. All changes have an implementation schedule, including changes in the company's favor.
(Ask an old guy about getting rid of partial month moveups for reserves in C2K; those were a great scheduling deal that we voluntarily negotiated away in C2K; it was a big "win" for the company but it still took a year to get them programmed out of the company computers--see, it goes both ways.)
The ADG is now in our contract forever. Within a year the entire seniority list will be wondering how we ever allowed the pilot group NOT to have it--you know, kind of like how back in the pre-117 and pre-121/Whitlow days you could be on perpetual short call 24/7. It was accepted as "part of the job" back in the good ol' days, but is inconceivable now.
Your groupthink Moak and ALPA hatefest on this thread is leading you to dismiss significant changes. After all, if you actually acknowledge the huge gain the ADG represents, that interferes with the "ALPA sucks" mindset that let's face it, is kind of fun to embrace.
You can't possibly say this yet Herkflyr. None of us has any idea how the company might build rotations to mitigate ADG 5:15. It could be a big deal, and it could be a big nothing. We won't know until after implementation.
Regarding something in our contract being "in our contract forever", you may want to revise that remark. Anything can be removed either voluntarily or by force of a BK judge. More importantly however is that your union can
effectively remove it by not defending the language. Would you like a few examples of that?
Carl