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Old 09-26-2014 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
He is talking about Frontier airlines. RAH structured it such that winning a grievance was very unlikely.
That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. My opinion is that the language could not have been more clear and in our favor. Had we grieved it, we would have won easily. It's a moot point now because not only did DALPA refuse to grieve it, DALPA agreed to codify the scope abuse as a new permanent section of our scope.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Carl should tell what the code share was that made things so iron clad. It was a very small code share that generated less then 500,000 a year in total revenue.
So what sailingfun? It was iron clad language that required a minimum number of departures out of Tokyo Narita. It's now gone. DALPA negotiated it away. That's a fact.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
The company never stated they intended to simply ignore the contract and continue the code share. They came to us in advance and stated they would be out of compliance.
Read your first sentence, then read your second sentence.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
They could have simply dropped this one small code share which was a penny or two for the company and we would have had zero protections in the Pacific anywhere.
But they didn't did they. Instead they got DALPA to remove our minimum departures out of Narita. Also, I'm willing to bet that the code share was more than a "penny or two" for the company.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
We were able to negotiate a new scope agreement for the entire Pacific with virtually no leverage.
Incredible spin. We gave away our minimum number of departures out of Narita. We replaced it with more "iron clad" language (like the iron clad language we just gave up) to have a minimum level of Pacific flying. That level being 20% LESS than what we were currently flying. That's a fact.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
DALPA has made it clear that they intend to file a grievance when the company is in violation of the contract. That will be 1 APR next year.
DALPA has done no such thing that I've read. If I'm wrong, please post the language that makes it clear DALPA intends to file a grievance.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
The company has not made it worse in the cure period. All the numbers are available on the DALPA web site.
They have indeed made it worse. We're pulling down Europe flying during the cure period.

Carl
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